June 14, 2000 09:45am
AINews Exclusive: An InnerView of Venus De Light
Source: Adult Industry News
by: Steve Nelson
I met Venus in a restaurant after she was done with a shoot for content
for her website. There was an instant rapport with the conversation taking off
in various directions like it does over dinner with old friends and exciting
By the time the tape recorder was out and turned on we had moved to the
same side of the table with our back to the wall so we could see the rest of
the restaurant and candidly look at some of the promo material Venus had with
her. The evening was a flurry of good seafood, 8x10 glossys and a very memorable
few hours spent with a truly great entertainer.
Do you have a list of questions? Or surprise, surprise, whatever comes
I figure I can roll with the punches. Impromptu.
If there is anything that I want to talk about is it ok if I just inject
You already heard my spiel about the psychology of the Adult Industry,
but you didn't have your tape recorder on yet!
So what is this about men being able to show their breasts, but women
That is really, a really good thing to bring up. In fact I was in New
York City, when they passed a law allowing women to go topless in public.
Because, women were getting arrested for breast feeding in public, at
parks and they fought it. They had to go through several courts and
they finally got it passed. Men have been allowed to go topless or what
they like to say "top free" because they don't want to confuse
it with the topless dance industry. So even within this fight it was
still segregated like that, but still it is still good for everybody.
I think it was 1892 or something that they passed a law that men could
walk around without their shirts off in public, so it has been a long
time coming that the same freedom is offered to women.
were all topless, driving right in front of Madison Square Garden, yelling,
'Censor this Tipper Gore!'"
I took advantage of that fact and went around [topless] (it was during
the Democratic National Convention, in New York City), when this law
was passed. I was working at a club there. So, I got a truck and some
of the hot looking girls from the club, and we got a bunch of T-shirts
and free passes to the club, and put a big banner on the side of the
truck. We were all topless, driving right in front of Madison Square
Garden, yelling, "Censor this Tipper Gore!" Police officers
were saluting us and we were passing out free passes and T-shirts. It
was legal, it was ok.
Only for about a day. They amended it to you can go topless in parks
and beaches and places like that but not in Manhattan, which was where
we were. But then of course, a couple years go by and now Gulianni is
on a rampage to really change New York, and he comes in there and starts
shutting down all the adult bookstores and adult nightclubs. They had
a rule that you had to have 60/40. It had to be 60% general public viewing,
40% adult. What it did for the adult bookstores, was now all the other
places that weren't adult, all of a sudden went, "Oh, great!, we
can have 40% adult, in here. We'll make a fortune!" Just split
up the pie so that all these people that have legitimate businesses
there for fifty years are pretty much out of business. Now the places
that pretty much have, you know, much broader general public viewing,
now they're offering 40% adult. You can go anywhere now to get adult
material. Which is good for everybody, but bad for the people that have
been in the business for, you know, FOREVER. And that is their livelihood.
They took away so many peoples livelihood. It's not even funny.
I was working at another, different club there, during this period with
the Gulianni thing going on. A club that had been there again, 50 years.
Flash Dancers. It's just a topless club. It's very clean. I mean, physically
it is dirty, but clean (Laughs) as far as entertainment goes. It was
actually a really filthy club. Unsanitary, let's say. The new statutes
have pretty much ruined their business completely. And they also had
to be within 500 feet from a resident or a church or school . Well a
lot of the residences are right above all the stores, and businesses
in New York City. So that pretty much closed down a lot of people, right
off the bat. They opened up a church/ learning annex, across the street,
from Flash Dancers. It's not even a real church or a real school, it's
just an annex thing. So then that qualified for being within 500 feet,
even though the church/ learning annex opened up a couple of years ago.
When Gulianni started doing all this and Flash Dancers has been there
over fifty years.
Flash Dancers isn't there anymore?
No, it's there, they're fighting it. Every thing is still being fought.
OK good. So they were there first, so the church has to move.
I would think so, or put up with it. Or agree to it, I guess.
doesn't anyone ever take into consideration the fact that religion has
killed and tortured more people than Hitler? This is supposed to be
a good thing? I'll take porno over that anyday!
They knew Flash Dancers was there when they moved in.
Of course they knew! This is precisely why they did it! There is stuff
like this going on all over the country. One of the reasons why I changed
my focus to my websites and video work and modeling as opposed to touring.
Speaking of the Internet, what are your Internet sites? You have got
a few of them, don't you?
Yes I do! I have www.venusdelight.com
which is called Venus' Playhouse. It's my personal site, but it is also
a full blown adult site. Its got hundreds top adult stars and models
with several photo galleries, bios and live videos performances of each
girl in my Models Pages. Then I have my Star Box Gallery, which features
new centerfolds monthly Stars like Jenna Jameson, Playboy's Karin Taylor
and International Playmate of the Year Chantale, Marilyn Star, Goldie
Star and many more including some hot new up and comers too. A nice
variety. In my Girlfriends' Gallery, I have sections like "Hot
Asses", "Centerfolds", "Big Boobs", "Porn
Stars", " Babydolls" "Black Babes", and all
the different categories. And then I have my personal stuff, which is
in My Photos. It has approx. 1100 exclusive photos in there, and my
diary, and my magazine covers, layouts, videos, and biography, backstage
photos, On the road photos, pics with celebrities etc..
then I have my "Cat Fight Corner" a specialty section with
photos from my catfight tapes and behind the scene shots.
Catfight videos are something I have been doing for about ten years
now. Cat Fighting, Wrestling, Boxing, Fist Fighting, and all that kind
of stuff. A lot of people know me just from that, and I have people
that know me as an exotic dancer, and then I have people that know me
for my fetish work, and then I have people that know me from publishing.
So I put together my site with all of them in mind. My site also has
all the XXX videos, like 20,000 XXX videos, porn videos of all the top
porn stars with new clips hourly, all that good stuff that you've got
to have on there. One of my most popular features is my Venus Live section.
I have my own live streaming camera from home where my members can schedule
their own personalized shows or log in during one of my scheduled showtimes!
I also have 14 live spy cams in my Venus' Playhouse where they can catch
me or one of my guests in the shower, Jacuzzi, tanning bed, dressing
area, or any one of my 14 spy cams! I also have an extensive shopping
area that my visitors can purchase videos, autographed glossy photos,
Polaroids, stockings, panties, bras, custom videos, trading cards, t-shirts,
CD ROM's and more! So I have to say it's got everything, it's got something
The other Web Sites?
Ok. My other adult site is an all live interactive site. http://www.Stripper2000.com
. It's all live strippers, big name porn stars like Nina Hartley, Julia
Parton, Becky Sunshine, Jacklyn Lick, Jasmine Raff, and me every month!
two girl shows, centerfolds, solo girls, up close pussy cam, and then
we have transsexuals, and we have a gay section Again it also offers
a huge catalogue of 20,000 xxx videos. It offers 24/7 chat, Personals
ads, Some xxx photo galleries, it is mainly concentrated on live streaming
video and is more personal and interactive. My third site is a non-adult
site. Its called http://www.abook.com , The place to get a book and
a whole lot more! It's got about ten million products. You can get everything
from a book to a Monet. I mean seriously! You can get computers, computer
equipment, electronics, software, hardware, you can get camping gear,
sporting goods, gifts, fan memorabilia, music, videos, games, artwork,
toys everything! It also offers an auction site where you can post your
items or find what you want at auction prices. I do all my shopping
there! It's really easy. Great customer service, super fast delivery.
I mean if it's in stock it's there right away. It's a really good site,
if I do say so myself. It is. It's just that I don't have any marketing
dollars so nobody knows about it. But it's got everything. Anything
and everything you could possibly want and it is an easy to find format.
I am really proud of that site. I also just created a new site at http://www.discountedtickets.com
which is a travel site for booking discounted airfare, hotels, and car
reservations. It's very easy to navigate and get low prices for your
Do you have clothes?
Not costumes per se, but because of the auction site you could probably
find that too! If you don't find it with the regular retail stuff, click
on auctions, its like Ebay. Go through and find all kinds of stuff.
And that's all of your sites?
Yes, Venus' Playhouse is at www.venusdelight.com
, Stripper2000 is at www.stripper2000.com
, and a Book.com is at www.abook.com.
and Discounted Tickets is www.discountedtickets.com.
Of course you can get to my Venus' Playhouse site by using www.thevenuscam.com
and even www.honestbuys.com!
But I REALLY want to include www.isex.cc,
you have to see it!
You know what the people from the Midwest say, at least from my area.
"Oh yeah" [with a definite Fargo like accent pronounced yaw]
That's where I'm from. Minnesota.
Oh, you're from Minnesota? The land of a thousand lakes? Do you like
It's 10,000 lakes not a thousand. They counted them and it's really
over 10,000 lakes! I haven't fished for years, but I used to. I liked
it a lot. I even caught one once. It's not about catching fish for me,
it's about going out on the boat with your fishing rod and just sitting
there in the sun and kicking back. Communing with the dragon flies,
all stoned out. That's to me what fishing is. (Laughs)
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man how to fish
and he will sit in a boat all day and drink beer.
(Laughs) I've heard that before. That's a good one. It's true.
But with me, I'll take a bunch of fruit in my backpack and everything
I need for a couple of days, and I'll live on fruit and fish.
That's awesome, that's the best, I love that. I love camping out, and
I'll go up to about 11,000, 12,000 feet up to Palisades glacier.
I just went up to the Sedonia this past Memorial Day weekend. Talk about
healing. You don't even realize your soul is sick until you get away
from the city and you are out in the mountains hiking around and jumping
into streams. You feel this energy, it's like a salve for the soul.
seeping in through you eyes, you can feel it. And then you get out in
it, it's just like "WOW!" I slept like a baby, I've been sleeping
like a baby for two weeks now. It's basically been since Memorial Day.
It was great. I haven't had a vacation in two years. I didn't realize
how much I desperately needed one.
I'm trying to organize a talent only trip, industry only trip, up to
Palisades Glacier. Sometime in mid August. It's [the glacier] at 12,500
feet. And it's a hard climb, but it is SO beautiful up there!
When you say a hard climb are you talking about using rock climbing
equipment and what not, to get there or just hiking?
Just rugged hiking. The last 500 feet is boulder hopping. You really
should go with somebody. Last year I went with someone who pooped out
after the first day and stayed at base camp. I went the rest of the
Which isn't advisable.
No, that is probably somewhat dangerous.
Yes, it was, but I get off on dangerous things sometimes.
I usually go on roller coasters when I get in that mood. They have a
new one at Cedar Point, Ohio. It's a brand new roller coaster, it's
supposed to be the biggest, fastest, baddest roller coaster in the world,
bar none. A friend of mine that I met on the Internet bought stock in
this place and sent me all this information. He was there for the opening.
It opened about a month ago, but they had to shut down. People were
getting nose bleeds, throwing up and passing out. A lot of people. So
that is probably a little, somewhat scary. (Laughs!)
I called up someone named Tricia Brown today. Evidently, you are a singer.
the guys would tolerate it, I mean, they would say oh, you're a good
singer, but you could tell they really were like, 'Why is she singing?
just take off your clothes!'"
Yes, I have sung professionally. In Playboy's Girls of Rock and Roll
in Las Vegas at the Maxim. I sang in Minski's Burlesque at the Hacienda.
I sang in Hot Lips, which is just exactly like the Crazy Girls Show,
same producer, same everything, different name. At the old Paddle Wheel,
which then became Debbie Reynolds' Casino. I don't know what it is now.
And also at the Riviera Hotel & Casino a couple of times. I used
to sing once in a while in my show on the road. Usually the only person
that really wanted me to do it was the club owner. It was like, "Oh,
I love the way you sing!" But the guys would tolerate it, I mean,
they would say oh, you're a good singer, but you could tell they really
were like, "Why is she singing? just take of your clothes!"
(Laughs!) They weren't at a strip bar to hear a broad SING! (Laughs)
But then you know, I would joke and say well, if you want me to take
my clothes off
(Laughs!) But the sound systems were atrocious.
So I only did it a few times.
of the clubs it was really successful at was the Admiral Theatre in
Chicago. Wonderful club. One of the best in the country, in my opinion.
They put on a real show there. It is a real stage. It's got backdrops,
props, and real dressing rooms. The girls, even house dancers, bring
in choreographers and put on real shows. The girls there all say it's
one of the only places in the adult business around like this. So, it's
got like the cream of the crop girls there. They're talented, they're
beautiful, and they are enjoying their job. Because they are being treated
like real entertainers and not a piece of meat, or someone to pay the
clubs. That's what dancers are considered now by club owners. They are
almost considered like patrons, because the club owners are making more
money off the dancers then they are off the customers. It is just terrible
the way dancers are treated now, it makes me sick! It makes me sick
that the business has changed into that! That the value of a woman's
body has become so cheapened that for five bucks or something, they
will come back and grind down in their lap. In Canada, nude for five
bucks, Canadian. What's that about 3.50 US?
Nude? It's $20 bucks for a lap dance here and if they take off their
top, I think it's thirty. It's usually for two songs.
But then the club gets half of that.
it didn't used to be about sitting in a guys lap naked, it was about
fantasy, it was about beauty, beyond respect, it was more like worship.
If a woman did a show and took her clothes off, guys were sending flowers
back to her dressing room. I remember, I came at the tail end of those
days. Right when they were starting table dancing. When I heard that
girls were paying to work at a club, I was shocked! I was like, "What?!"
It didn't make any sense to me at all. How can they do that? How can
they not realize the value of what they are offering. So the fantasy
is gone and the reality is never as good as the fantasy. It is a good
reality, but I think that what striptease is all about is fantasy. It's
changed. However, thank God there are still the feature dancers in the
business, and they are like the last of that burlesque talent. The only
original American art form that we have. That's what is left of it,
is the feature entertainer.
The last place I remember having burlesque is the Body Shoppe, down
Are you kidding? That's where I started. It's still there?
I haven't been there since it went nude.
They went nude? Really?
Well the guy that used to own it, Jamal, he was a real magic fan. He
always wanted to be a magician, so he would bring in these magicians
every week. It really gave it kind of a cabaret atmosphere. Lance Burton,
who now has his own show room at the Monte Carlo, who got that 100 million
dollar contract, Jamal hired him. Brought him out from Kentucky. We
fell in love and had a hot and heavy romance on and off for about six
years and then finally broke up. He married Melinda, the first lady
of magic, on the rebound about three months after we split up. They
were divorced within a year and right after they got divorced he got
a hundred million dollar contract from Steve Wynn (laughs) so you know
it's kind of funny. We're still friends and I'm just glad that he got
the divorce first. Especially with a six month marriage, you realize
you made a mistake.
I really ramble don't I?
It's perfect... And the crunching of the crab legs is good too. [We then
had been served and were eating.]
So what else did Tricia say? That "I hear you sing" question
turned into a long story.
I hear you are good at cat fights too.
Yes I am.
Particular knack for scrapping.
Yes, in fact, I am going to Portugal in September to wrestle. Yes wrestle
and cat fight. I do all forms of wrestling, competitive, Pro-style,
pro-am, and fantasy. I don't wrestle men, I just wrestle women. Boxing,
Fist fighting. I also do spanking videos and fetish videos like tickling
and bondage videos. I also do solo videos and dance videos. I do a lot
I did a spanking video a while ago.
Did you? Was it fun for you? Were you the spanker or the spankee?
I was the spanker.
You were the spanker. Being the spankee is actually a little more fun.
I think so. Yeah, it's more acting, it's more fun, and I like both.
The spanker is good too. I like both. I'm the same with the cat fighting
and wrestling. I'm good at being either the dominant or the submissive.
Either one is fine with me. In fact, I'm going to do another spanking
one tomorrow. I did a bondage one yesterday, for Harmony. It's a great
company. You should interview them. It's great.
They have been around for a long time. They are probably the leaders
in that genre. And another fun person for you to get a hold of would
be Chelsea Phiefer. From "Chelsea Phiefer Productions". She's
the one that does the spanking videos. And I think, it's interesting,
when there's a woman behind an adult video company.
Oh, what about this Penthouse Pet Review thing I hear about.
That was the first Las Vegas Review Show I ever did. That's what made
me move out to Las Vegas. Where I stayed pretty much the whole time
until now except for a couple of year period where I was living up in
Canada. The Penthouse Pet Review, I did a fire act. That was my first
Las Vegas revue show.
Tell me about the fire act.
I do a lot of stuff with fire that most other exotic dancers are afraid
The fire act is something I have become pretty well known for. Apparently
I do a lot of stuff with fire that most other exotic dancers are afraid
to do. A lot of exotic dancers, features I'm talking about, say "I
do a fire show" and then you go to see their fire show and they
have a bowl of fire. And that's it. They have a bowl of fire. They do
a floor show around a bowl of fire and they call it a fire show. When
I come out with my fire show, wielding snakes and spitting fire, playing
a flaming drum solo on my body. Lighting torches off my tongue. spitting
fire, swallowing fire, some really cool Carni geek show fire tricks.
(laughs) They're like, "Oh, THAT'S a fire show! I thought I was
doing a fire show!"
Simmons actually recognized me from my fire show! Which, I thought was
really cool. He was the inspiration for it. I was working up in Winnipeg
on tour up there. His (Gene Simmons) pilot came in to see my show. So
I gave him a poster, and said bring one back for Gene Simmons. I wasn't
hitting on him or anything, I was just, you know, exchanging gifts.
I figured I probably wouldn't run into anyone who would give him the
poster, anytime soon, so I tried to take advantage of the opportunity.
He started calling the hotel, and I thought the front desk people were
joking. Up in Canada the Clubs are inside the Hotel that you are saying
at. And you pretty much walk through the kitchen and up the stairs,
past the front desk down the hallway to get to the club. I walk by the
front desk everyday and they had a little coffee chop right next to
the desk and he was like "Simmons called you again." Yeah,
right, shut up. (Laughs) I'm sitting in the coffee shop with some of
the other dancers and he goes "It's for you, it's Gene Simmons.'
So I still thought someone is playing a joke on me. I get on the phone
and he starts singing to me, he starts singing Venus, oh Venus, ( the
old Bobby Darin song) and he is really great and he is really sweet.
He is really like an old Jewish guy, kinda corny you know? Not like
the giant he appears to be on stage. A medieval giant spitting fire
and blood and stuff. He was like a Jewish uncle. (Laughs!) And it was
really cool and he invited me to go to Seattle. They were going to Seattle
and he wanted me to be a part of this photo shoot. But I'm sure he wanted
something more than just a photo shoot and I'm married happily, and
I had to tell him no, which really felt good, you know, I said no to
Gene Simmons! (Laughs!)
him I was married and he goes, oh well, have you got anymore big busted
blond friends? Yeah sure, I got all the girls over there going "Let
me talk to him, let me talk to him." It was cool. The Undertaker
( the wrestler) also came to see me that week. Busy week. It was during
that week, up in Winnipeg, which was this really surreal week; it was
during the "The Flood of the Century." They showed freeways
and towns that were completely covered up in water. You know the freeway
signs are like ten feet up. Those were under water. I kept all the newspapers.
So people were out there with sandbags. They were sandbagging in and
around the hotel that we were at, you could see the water rising up.
We were with in the City and they have this huge dam around the city.
So we were somewhat safe, but they weren't really sure because it was
rising and rising. It was really scary. There was a river. It is usually
like a little brook, like a tiny little stream. It was a raging river.
It was across the street. And sand bags everywhere. So it was really
scary the whole week. You were on your toes because of all the evacuation
information going 24/7 on every channel on TV telling you what to have
ready to grab in case you had to evacuate. It was an interesting memorable
It was cool. The threat of death is always cool. (not the reality, just
the threat of it. Especially when you are ok and you can laugh about
it now, but to live through it and experience a brush with death but
come out ok on the other side, that's the best. I think that's why I
like roller coasters so much. Maybe that's why you like rock climbing.
The rush, like the rush of defeating death for another day. It brings
everything into perspective and really, really makes you completely
in the now. Puts your head where you're ass is immediately. Instantly
your senses come alive, you see better, you smell better, you hear everything.
It puts you in touch. It makes me want to go backpacking right now!
You've never done porn before right?
Interesting segway, it depends on what you definition of porn is. It's
a really broad term. According to the government, yes. Of course I have
been in the porn industry for over twenty years. Really soft stuff compared
to AVN standards. None the less it is still adult material and it is
still considered porn. I think the only thing that isn't is just Playboy.
That's where they drew the line, they said Penthouse is pornography,
and Playboy wasn't. So Bob Guccione said, "My magazine is pornography?
Wanna see pornography?" That's when he started the women peeing,
the full on cum shots, and the sex. It's still shot beautifully, so
he's like "OK, if this is porn, I'll give you real porn. I'm gonna
give you porn. 'cause that's what I do anyway!" Sort of like when
the wife is accusing the husband of cheating and give him hell and make
him feel like crap and unloved and untrusted, well, shit you might as
well go get laid then. What difference does it make? If your going to
get hell for nothing, might as well go enjoy it, you know?
Yeah. Why give him hell.
I don't agree with that at all, if you're a man in that position or
a woman in that position your going to go "Well screw it! I might
as well do it. I might as well do what I am being accused of doing because
I'm getting treated like crap anyway!"
What I meant by porn was, you've never done a boy-girl scene in front
of the camera. Had sex on film.
I've done Playboy scenes, but never XXX never hardcore. We had our underwear
on. It was a boy-girl scene in a film, but, that was the only scene
I ever did with a guy.
then I have done solo masterbations. Have you? [To someone a few tables
away] That guy over there was looking at me. (Laughs!)
were perhaps getting a little loud in a busy restaurant.]
Aren't all masterbations solo?
That's a little redundant isn't it. Why do they call it "solo"
Because you're alone in the scene? You could masturbate with someone
I suppose, but it's still a little redundant. Masturbation, the word
itself implies solo so even if someone is with you it is still solo.
Like a true fact.
Perfect. Funny. I was in a film that Brad Armstrong produced with Dyanna
Lauren. This is the only reason I have ever been in a xxx feature film.
It was because I called up my friend Dyanna, and I wanted her to be
in my CD-ROM / video project called Venus Playhouse (which won an AMEE
award) . I had twelve girls, it was a three day shoot. We had several
cameras, both underwater and above ground Betacams shooting outdoors,
shooting indoors. We had a tiger, great lights. It was awesome. Anyway,
she agreed. She said she would do my project if I would do hers.
name of her project was "Checkmate". Really cool movie. Unfortunately
the editing left a lot to be desired. Brad and Dyanna were very unhappy
with the editing. They had a great concept. They had this awesome dungeon
scene. With this black and white tile laid out like a chess board. I
was this magical High Priestess. I changed this town into a giant chess
board. The chess pieces are people. As they are moving across the board,
they would have sex in various and sundry fashion. It was cool. Kaitlyn
Ashley and Anna Malle were in it as well. It was great. Really great
sex scenes, great costumes, great lighting, beautiful people. But they
didn't edit it right, so it's too choppy and it doesn't make a whole
lot of sense, not that it really matters I guess! (Laughs!) But it could
have been so much better, because they put so much effort and work and
time into it.
Armstrong is really amazing. He does everything. He makes costumes sets,
write scripts directs. Everything has got to be just right. You know,
he is really into what he is doing. Jenna was supposed to be in that.
They needed one more girl. I new Jenna back when she was a house dancer
at the Palomino. In fact my dear friend Julia Parton, who lived three
doors down from me, shot Jenna Jameson's very first layout. I remember
little Jenna coming over. She was just a little, tiny little teenager.
Tiny little thing, really cute, really sweet. And shy. She was shy and
quiet and just sweet. Very nice, and she came over to my house and Julia
and I would tell her tips on how to become a feature.
I'm interviewing Julia soon.
You are doing Julia? Oh good. You will love her. She is one of the sweetest
women. She has been a good friend of mine for years and years, like
20 years. Oh, but we are not old enough to be friends that long! Oh,
we became friends when we were five! (Laughs!) Where are we now?
They needed one more and it was Jenna.
So I called Jenna up and she was with this biker guy at the time. He
didn't want her doing porno. She had maybe done one or two scenes. Nothing
much at all. So she was kind of hesitant about it and I was like "Oh,
it's gonna be really good." I was explaining it was a good budget,
really good sets, good people. She was almost gonna do it. Luckily for
me and my friendship with Dyanna Lauren, she DIDN'T do it. It was very
shortly thereafter that Brad met Jenna and the two of them got together
and Brad broke up with Dyanna and married Jenna. It wasn't because of
me. But it almost was!
Now was that before, or after Jenna had her boobs done?
She got her boobs done about a year or so after. That was early Jenna.
I remember meeting Jenna when Celeste was dating Woody. It was at Bob's
Classy Lady, that was before Jenna had her boobs.
She would have known Celeste, because we were in a video together. When
I was published in Cheri magazine. We did Sex on the Strip. Celeste
was in it with Serenity. We did a couple all lesbian lickfest type things.
was I? Oh, yeah!, so Jenna would be in a lot of those. Celeste too and
Serenity, and Goldie Star, and a lot of the new girls, Nikki Tyler,
(not Taylor) Tyler. I think Nikki Taylor was a big fashion model.
No wonder I haven't heard of her. All that matters to me are the girls
I like that attitude. As long as you consider me one of those.
Well yeah, but soft porn.
But porn is porn. It's all a matter of degree. It's all adult entertainment.
You know some people like this, some people like that. It's personal
choice, but it's still porn. Or not porn depending on if you're in the
government of something. It depends on what the connotation of pornography
is. Like are we talking good connotation or bad connotation. Are we
saying pornography like it's cool, or are we saying it like it's bad.
It's the same word. But it all depends on who's saying it and how they
are saying it.
It's like the word "slutty". I say "delightfully slutty"
as a compliment.
Same thing. Robust. Bitchin', full of life. It's all how you say it.
I was just talking about that today. I asked this girl about her impression
of the word slut. She looked at me like, "Huh?"
That's a good question.
The difference between, [contemptuously] "You slut!" and [with
warmth] "Oh, you're so delightfully slutty!"
Perfect. That was great. You should be an actor. That kind of reminds
me of Eddie Murphy's old routine in Raw. Where he's going, "do
you want me to say "I want to make love to you. Or do you want
me to say I want to fuck the shit of you and pull you're hair and fuck
you and fuckin fuck ."
the thing when I'm talking about my shows, being artistic and stuff
and even my productions are really kind of sexy erotic art, but, it's
got to be hot or it ruins the whole thing. I think a lot of people try
to be artistic and they loose the heat. And that's the bottom line.
You can be artistic and it can be successful but only if it is truly
Brad Armstrong's films by reputation except for the one I was in. He
has done some humongous huge productions and won all these awards. So
I assume they were pretty good, but the one I really like is Andrew
Blake. Andrew Blake's Productions I think proves that he is able to
make it erotic art but still sex , still raw, still good, the heat is
still there. It's hard to do. But that is the same thing when I relate
to it, as a live performer I always wanted to entertain and not make
it just raw sex or base animal sex. Elevate the human psyche somewhat
visually. But with out forgetting the fact that I am a stripper. I'm
a stripper and I work in a strip bar. You want them to get excited.
That's the bottom line. It's a really tricky fine line to make it beautiful
and stimulating at the same time. It's not an easy thing to do. That's
what I always try to do. Except when I was working at Cheri, which of
course, Cheri is Cheri.
That's different? In what way?
Cheri Magazine? It's very tongue in cheek, its not supposed to be beautiful
and erotic art. It's more like teenage, high school, masturbation material.
They kind of operate on that level.
My Ex-wife and I collected quite a few Cheri Magazines with you in them.
Plus a lot of other ones. That was back in the early nineties.
Well, you have to admit our captions were always really in fun, and
not a serious magazine by any means. Not Playboy at all. Or meant to
be, we are not trying to sell cars and cigars. It's all about sex and
I have 8 or 10 boxes of old magazines under my stairwell. I am really
tempted to go through them and find your pictorials.
I've got lots of new ones you don't need to go find my old ones! I've
got a couple of copies of the older stuff too. By The way, I went to
Glamourcon this year. I had a booth at the last Glamourcon in LA.
And I missed it.
Oh, I've got another one in October. They have them a lot. I was with
Stacey Burke. Have you ever met her? Oh, my God. She is such a hoot.
She is a fetish model, actress. She was just on E! channel. Over in
Cannes they did this fire stuff. They set her on fire. Yeah, she's a
hoot She's got her hair up in a little pony tail. Her hair is bright
blond. These great big saucer eyes. Funny personality. Just really cute.
We had a booth together. Across from us they had all these old collector
magazines dating back to black and white. Really interesting, a lot
of cool stuff there. Erotic artists. A lot of Playboy girls I met Debra
my favorite Playmate.
I only know a little bit about Playboy. It's not hardcore enough to
me for me to be a real die-hard fan. I'm more familiar with the XXX
I'm not! (Laughs). The spectrum, you know. There is a lot in the adult
I met the girl who formulated my idea of beauty at Glamourcon. Liv Lindland.
Playmate 1971, Playmate of the year 1972.
Did you really? I met Carmen Berg.
Liv was the first Playboy centerfold that showed pubic hair. Just a
little bit. I remember in January 1971.
Really? Oh, my God. How old is she?
She's in her fifties.
She might have been there. There were some old broads. I didn't know
who they were. I don't go back that far so I didn't know. "Who's
that old broad?" That will be me one day. (Laughs!)
Yeah, but those old girls can hold up a copy of Playboy and say I was
in here. That's cool
I can too.
That's good stuff.
Yeah, it's good, to remember where you've been and help make your choices
where you're going. That is pretty much about everything I wanted to
do as far as the dancing goes. I started with the Internet when a company
approached me. They were going to get a lot of the girls hook them up
with computers to do love shows from home, build them homepages and
the girls would get 50% and the company would do everything for you.
Yeah. That happened to me. A company called Star Imaging. Only mine
is not a sad story. It turned out pretty good.
were going to do that. They were hooking me up with a live cam and they
built the site for me, they gave me a computer. Everything I needed
and all the software was loaded on there. A lot of good stuff on there.
Adobe Photoshop which is a 900.00 program, live cam software etc. They
were using this video software called VDO which didn't really work for
their purpose because you had to get the customer through VDO and then
reverse telemarket to get them to go to their site which was Flesh Grotto,
and convince them to join Flesh Grotto and put money in the e-wallets
and then come back to the VDO site, find you again and then they could
see the show. Not practical at all!. What they wanted to do was get
several adult stars and give them the computer and everything, so they
could do their shows from home and then market it. You have to understand
this was like in 1996, 97 so it was still a relatively fresh idea. Now
it's like "Oh, how original." Anyway it was then.
reverse telemarketing was not a good way to sell the live shows but
fortunately I didn't have to go to them and say "This sucks"
because their financial backer pulled out on them. I had taken Star
Imaging, their officers and their company to the Exotic Dancer Expo.
I had them ready to go. They signed Nina Hartley, they signed a girl
named Sahara Sands, they signed Julia Parton, Lisa Lipps, and they had
me. They had a nice start. Nice mix of XXX and exotic dancers and models,
it was a good mix. But their financial backer, this guy that owns the
PT Clubs, I guess he thought he was going to make a million dollars
over night with this adult website. A lot of people think that, but
they have no clue. They think "I'm gonna get this free adult website.
I'm gonna make millions of dollars." Anyway, It's ok if you're
the one giving them the free adult website because then you have all
these people marketing your website and you give them a percentage.
Good idea, yeah, you'll make a million. Where were we?
So they signed up
Oh, yeah. They had all these great acts when the guy pulled out. Half
the girls didn't have their computers yet. You know, and this VDO thing
didn't work anyway. So the guy pulled out. They wanted me to pay $1500.
for the computer after I had taken all there officers into the exotic
dance show. It would have cost them about $300 apiece. I introduced
them to all these club owners, dancers, all these girls signed up with
them.. I'm like "OK, sure, what was that, 1500? Ok, how much do
you want to pay me for all the work I did for you?" [They said]
"Oh you're right, never mind." They were cool.. That guy's
name was Mike Towns. Real sweet guy. I don't know what ever happened
to him. I hope he is doing well, though. Good people, I don't know what
happened. Lost their funding.
They might still be on the Internet somewhere.
I kept up with it for awhile, I would go check out Flesh Grotto to see
how they were doing and stuff. Last time I checked it wasn't there anymore.
It's tough. My Venus De Light site is doing incredible, Thanks to the
Internet Gods. (Laughs!) I've been in the adult business a long time,
and there are enough people that know me. Otherwise I would just say
screw it. If you don't have marketing money or a team that constantly
will be promoting you and marketing your site, doing link exchanges,
etc, it's tough. Really tough. It's taken me three years of doing it
by myself to get to where I am today with a huge successful websites.
abook.com isn't there yet, that one is pretty new.
The stripper site is the one where you use live models?
Actually on both sites. On the venusdelight.com,
I've got about a hundred models with live video and photo galleries
and bios of each girl. And they are all top girls. Not amateurs. They
are all like Danni Ashe, Julia Parton, Nina Hartley, Asia Carrera...
If a girl wants a page on that site how does she get a hold of you?
Email me at email@example.com
You know something else I have to ask you. I have girls ask me this.
They want to be a feature dancer but they don't want to do porn.
They don't want to do XXX videos. I know it's possible, maybe it's a
It's not a little harder it's a lot harder but it can still be done.
That's exactly what I did. It depends on the girl, obviously. You have
got to have more than just a pretty face. You have got to have talent.
And that is really the bottom line. Drive too. And have something to
offer besides looking good, because when you're up on that stage it
doesn't matter if you're a big name or a no name. What you're doing
on stage is has got to captivate people and if you can do that, and
I'm not talking about just prancing around and looking good, but I'm
talking about make people cry. Make them feel something, make them laugh,
make them horny, make them feel those emotions. You don't think you're
gonna get booked? Lots of girls think "Oh I'll go buy a bathtub
and then I'll be able to be a feature." But some of them suck!
They might have a cool bathtub but they are boring they have got no
personality. They suck! They might get by on hype for a little while,
but pretty soon the word gets out that she's got this tub but she's
boring. I'd rather see someone just prancing around having a good time
than someone who thinks they have a show and doesn't.
Like a bowl of fire.
Not necessarily. I have seen girls do very erotic shows with just a
bowl of fire, but don't call it a fire show!!! With the question about
girls wanting to get into this, yeah, they can do it. There are plenty
of other things they can do as long as they are not ashamed of their
own bodies and are willing to express themselves in other types, like
videos that aren't hardcore. You don't have to have that, there are
lots of other venues in the adult industry. You don't have to do XXX
to be adult. So if they are willing to get out and be seen. Do magazines,
do the cable version videos, Marilyn Chambers Bedtime Stories, all that
type of thing. Red Shoes Diaries, Private screenings that type of thing.
B movies with love scenes. Modeling, lingerie, Budweiser, whatever.
All that sexy stuff, there are a lot of venues, there are talk shows
there are so many other venues beside XXX hardcore. You know I think
the club owners kind of started that because it was their fantasy. You
know, I think maybe I can get her. I'll pork her. I'll tip her an extra
couple grand and I'm in, you know? That's what they think. Absolutely.
Every man has that fantasy but
Not every man. Oh God no.
I still think not every man fantasizes about being with a porn star
because I've just met way to many guys that would watch one and put
her down while she's doing it and think that it's beneath them. It's
a sad fact but its true.
Why would they watch one? Just to criticize?.
Like at a stag party. Oh look at that whore or what ever. Double standards.
That's what they're saying but that's not what they're thinking.
Yeah, that's true. But I'm not even talking in that scenario, it's just
one area where they might see a porn movie. Believe me I know there
is a lot of people that are afraid for one thing. All the AIDS and stuff
going on and we now have segregated films. The people with HIV are doing
films now with other HIV positive actors and actresses. It's kind of
scary, you know. I think guys probably fantasize more about making a
porn movie, being in a porn movie, being the stud than actually going
out with a porn star. I think the idea of being the porn star would
be more exciting. I don't know!
A lot of people write and ask me how they can get into the business.
I get a lot of requests like that too. That's why I'm thinking that.
I never hear "Can you introduce me to so and so." I've never
had anyone go, "Can you fix me up with so and so?." It's always,
How do I get to be a porn star? How do I get in the movies, you know.
that guy on Howard Stern the other day, that goofy guy. I don't know
his name. Number 21. He was Dynamite's 21 - [twenty first man in the
Oh yeah, High Pitch Eric. I was there.
Were you there? Or were you watching.
I was there, you didn't see me. I was out of view of the camera when
they were filming for some of the time. Did you see Nina Whett? We were
together that day.
No, I just saw Dynamite. I wasn't on very long. I was on for about 45
minutes, she took a break. I think she was on number 12 or something
when I popped in. I watched the scene with the guy who came in her eye.
Oh, I missed it I wasn't there for that. What guy was that?
I don't know. They all look the same to me from my viewpoint, all I
could see were their butts!.
All the men are just props.
I couldn't really see that much, you know. It was on the Internet.
Ok, was it like a 2x2 square?
Yes. Hard to see what was going on but I did see that.
Funny, that probably hurt too.
It does. They had a close up cam too. It was a hand held camera.
I was there covering the event. People like to read stories about gang-bangs.
waitress hears us talking about gangbangs]
Who was more embarrassed, us or the waitress?
Probably equally. Oh, that was classic. That was really funny. Especially
the way you said it, "So many people like reading about gangbangs."
Who wouldn't? The literary professor would want to read about gangbangs!
Stories like the Sabrina Johnson gangbang in December 1999 It's one
of the top ten read stories on Adult
Really? I saw her on Jerry Springer, we talking about her today but
we didn't know her name. It's funny that you brought her up because
we were talking about the Jerry Springer Show and how she obviously
knew she was going to break up with her husband, or she wouldn't have
gone on the show and told him I'm going to do this and you can be number
2000. Anyway, we couldn't remember her name and she was saying on Jerry
Springer, I'm going to do this show announcing my gangbang and make
me famous. Well, Dynamite is more famous than she is and she only had
to do 21 guys. The only people I know that are famous from doing gang-bangs
are Houston, and Jasmin St. Claire was the first one to do like 300.
What about Annabelle Chong?
She came after.
I thought she was first.
I think they have a dispute about that. I don't even want to comment.
All I know is that Jasmine St. Claire is famous for it. What's the other
one we just said?
Houston, and now Dynamite because of Howard. And here this girl Sabrina,
I didn't know anything about it. She did 2000 guys?
And her husband was there.
Are they still together?
They are still together.
That was all an act probably
Of course everybody speculates, he was her manager. He was there. He
was taking care of her.
He probably likes that people speculate. That's the whole point. They
did do it on Jerry Springer. If they want people to wonder and discuss
it. It's too bad that they didn't say her name more often.
take a short break]
I did have to take the time to put my pen down and watch as you walked
up, I have been looking you in the eye and not really admiring your
body. Which by the way is excellent!
It makes me want to dig out all the Venus De Light things I have at
home. I wanted to ask you, what are the trade shows that you are going
to attend in the upcoming months and if somebody wants to find out your
schedule if you go on tour would it be on your website?
I don't tour too much but yes I do have a tour schedule on my website.
I'm booked in July at a club in Arizona called The Sugar Shack, and
I have got another one in September in North Carolina. They are old
friends of mine They are the ones I worked for when I first started.
I only go pretty much to the places that I know and love. And that I
know I'm going to be treated with respect. Why take a chance. So many
clubs suck now. They are not worth going to. They're just not. It's
changed a lot. I like the Spearmint Rhino Clubs, they are beautiful
clubs, and The Admiral Theater in Chicago, There are some good ones
left but they are too few and far between all the rest.
Maybe they will come back.
I hope so. I really do. There is another really great club that I like
to go to on the East Coast. In Salisbury, Massachusetts, Ten's Show
Club. Talk about Ten's, forget about ten, they're 11's. The girls that
work at this club are bar none, the most beautiful woman overall, as
far as every girl is a knockout. Every girl. They are all centerfolds,
they are all gorgeous. AND they serve alcohol.
Nude with alcohol. What's our problem [here in California].
Hell if I know. I don't understand. It's supposed to be a free country,
I don't even want to get off on that subject, because I get really ranty.
Dennis Miller move over. I get really ranty. (Laughs!)
You mean the land of the free is one of the more oppressed nations in
the world because of our puritanical morals?
Yeah, in a word. The whole thing is screwed up. There are just too many
things, since the LA riots we had last night over Celebrating the Lakers
win. It's an odd way to show it and in their own neighborhoods. I don't
get that. I don't get it. And then we pay for it. It's really
The police chief said that for the proportionate number of people involved
it really wasn't that bad it was only a couple cop cars or something.
It was two cop cars that they burned and turned over and blew up. It
was a couple of people's personal vehicles, SUVs turned over and burned
up. They broke into a Mercedes dealership and stole all the Mercedes
emblems. They broke into a car lot, an enclosed car lot and burned up
all those cars. They broke into shoe stores. They broke into several
businesses. It's been covered up . The mayor said they did an excellent
job. They only had 11 arrests. We are suppose to be proud of the fact
that we said basically to the people that were looting and plundering,
it's ok as long as we just push you back and contain you in this neighborhood
here, is basically what happened last night. And then the mayor went
on Congratulating everybody about what a fine job they did. I heard
this guy on the radio today that said that he was at the game and couldn't
get out because they had all these streets blocked off. They literally
pushed them back into the neighborhood and let them destroy all they
wanted to in that area. As long as you're doing it over there it's ok.
That's what we said. That's what the mayor said. It was no big deal,
destroy peoples property and it's fine. Just do it over there in this
area. There ya go. Anyway, this guy said he couldn't get to his car
because they had all these streets blocked and they were keeping people
in the Staples Center Building. Finally, like at 1:00 am things were
cleared up and him and his friend and this other couple were holding
hands and were all walking out to their car there were only a couple
cars left in the parking lot. Everything is done. The cops see them
and start shooting those rubber pellets at them. Now they are going
to step in and do something to innocent people. Just walking to the
car. So they ran. The cops were shooting at them. Two people or four
people three guys and a girl, sounded like they were of a Latin background
and were picked on. If they were white people they probably wouldn't
have been picked on. So that's when the cops did something. After everything
was over they shot at unarmed pedestrians. Which is typical, that happens
in Vegas all the time. I've had friends get robbed by the cops, raped
by the cops. There are several incidences of cops shooting unarmed pedestrians,
14 times. This black mentally handicapped unarmed pedestrian, 14 times
they shot him. Of course it went to internal affairs and they said they
were acting in the line of duty. They can say whatever they want, because
they have got nobody policing the police. They police themselves. Except
for the politicians, great, they have a little authority over them but
they all have each others hands in each others pockets. They are all
scamming the taxpayers, having huge parties and perks, like you wouldn't
believe. They send them on missions to fly to the East Coast to pick
up live lobsters. It's all a bunch of bullshit. The porn thing I think
is almost just a detractor to keep us unaware of what is really going
on. Like them harassing the porn industry all the time...
So we are the center of attention, while they
Right. They put the focus on us. The porn industry has helped advocates
for everybody. Lets stop them so it looks like they are doing something
good. Meanwhile they are just raping the public.
And enjoying our porn.
They're the biggest ones. The biggest customers.
Are you involved with the Free Speech coalition? Or any group like that?
I met Bill [Margold].
is like the grandfather of porn. If anybody can tell you what it's like
and what to expect, it's Bill."
But you never have done any hardcore.
My husband and I did actually toy with the idea of making them together
when we first got together. When we got a little more serious we decided
to keep it private. We wanted to find out what Bill had to say. Bill
is like the grandfather of porn. If anybody can tell you what it's like
and what to expect, it's Bill. So Tricia [of California Wildcats] set
up this appointment to meet Bill. We went to his place and I expected
him to tell me about what kind of money was involved, who makes good
films, and who to work with and you know useful information like that.
Bill sat me down and said the only people that should do porn should
be people that are orphaned or sterile. He said it reduces your sex
life to the equivalent of a handshake.
he asked me " Why do you want to do porn?" I said it would
be fun, exciting, it would be good for my dancing career. It was mostly
just for fun. He said "No that's not the right reason. No, no,
you have to want to be famous so bad, that you are willing to do anything,
even be remembered for being a porn star."
like "Well, now that you put it that way..... That isn't really
my goal in life." We thought about it and decided we will just
keep it to ourselves, but it's fun to think about. It's again, the fantasy
is probably much better than the reality. Reality is just like any film
making, you're working, you have to look good.
Certainly the vivid girls are thinking about what they look like while
they're doing it.
(Laughs!) That's a good line. You can tell the difference. That's why
I think amateur porn is so much more popular. They are just having fun.
They are just into it and they aren't thinking about what they look
It comes across too. Still you can set up your camera in the bedroom
and play the tape later. You can still enjoy it but you don't have to
sell it. You don't have to put it out there where Grandpa can look at
it by accident. Or your relatives, or your aunt Minnie who would get
a heart attack.
That was what Bill meant. when he said you should be either sterile
or an orphan. Because it's such a personal choice. And you impose that
personal choice on your family or future family and it can come back
and haunt you later. It could really hurt those that love you and destroy
them. And you don't know for your future family. It ain't just about
you. It's your family living with that forever. It's on film. Not just
in your bedroom and that you can erase it. It's worldwide. That's why
he said that.
first I was taken aback by his comments. It sounded insulting, you know?
Orphaned or sterile you shouldn't do porn. This is a guy that's made
over a thousand films! What happened? But when he explained it, I was
like "Wow!" So many people don't really think about all that.
They are just thinking about their own personal choice. Years from now
20, 30, 40 years from now. Not at 18, young as they can get em. 18 years
and 2 minutes. At that point it's just a fun thing. You want to try
everything, you want to experience everything. And then there it is
on film. At 38 a lawyer. Running for the PTA or something.
that Janine really wants to be school teacher. I read she retired, but
then I saw an ad for a new release, I don't know if it was shot before
she retired or if she made it after. But I read that she retired and
that she really wanted to become a school teacher. I thought, you know,
I bet she would be a marvelous school teacher. She is also very recognizable,
I'm afraid she probably wouldn't get hired anywhere once they figure
out who she is. It just isn't fair is it?
Sound advice! I think they're closing this place. You think we should
Let's go outside.
I'd like to get a few pictures. Thank you for a great interview!
Venus: You're welcome! I had a great time chatting with you! I have no idea
how this is going to turn out since I ramble on so much! ...
But it was fun!