October 01, 1999 02:59am
AINews Exclusive: An InnerView of Ariana
Source: Adult Industry News
by: Steve Nelson
Ariana's interview was the first InnerView for Adult Industry News. She met with me in her hotel by the airport and we caught up on the years since my x-wife and I had first met her at Henri Pachard's house while shooting "Sex Ranch". She talks about the people who helped her get into the biz - Nina Hartley, Woody Long and Sandra Scream, and her then husband, Luc Wylder. This meeting with her set the stage and modeled the format of the InnerView with her easy charm and down to earth conversation.
I finally caught up with her when she came down to the Los Angeles area to do a photo shoot for her new Web Site. We had been talking for a while before getting started when I realized this was really good stuff! I pulled out the tape and turned it on and told her to just keep talking!
Hi, I'm here with Ariana and we're BSing right now. We'll get to
the interview after BS for awhile, but I just gotta get some
of this on tape!
So Nina [Hartley] approaches you and says, "What are you doing here?"
Yeah, we we're at Frank's Chicken House in Manville New Jersey.
she started in the Business:]
And I was doing my little stage show, which was like a little warm up.
They always put me on before the feature because then the guys would all
be waiting and patient and she would come and she would tip me and she
kept watching me, and finally the third or fourth day there she started
talking to me. She was like "What are you doing" you know? "Why
aren't you a feature?" And I was like "I don't know, what you
have to do to be a feature?" I was like way married and very monogamous
and it hadn't really occurred to me. All that it was to me is that I liked
to dance. And that was my outlet and I made really good money doing it.
She's like "No you have got to do something." I said, "Well
what do you have to do?" she said "You have to do magazines
and you have to do movies." Yeah, well like I'm too old to do magazines
and I have tattoos. Well I was 30 by then. So I was too old to do movies
I had tattoos and I'm not blonde, so how do I get into magazines? She
said, "Forget the magazines just goes straight to the videos."
"But I don't know if I can do that because I was in a monogamous
relationship for a long time, you know?" And she goes "Well
just work with your husband he's really cute I saw him." And it's
like "Yeah, but he's COVERED with tattoos." "It won't matter,
do amateur stuff or anything." It was like "Yeah, OK, fine."
That was, I don't know, that it was in `89 because my son was born in
'87, I started dancing again in 88. And then I ran into Sandra Scream
at the Go-Go Ramma in Lawrence Harbor New Jersey. I'm onstage now I'm
out there and I'm doing my thing and there's this guy and he's tipping
me, and he's tipping me, and he's tipping me, he's giving me 20's and
50's, he's giving me all this money, and I'm like "What is WITH this
guy?" and I get off stage and put on my robe and go sit with him
not knowingly who he was, but went to sit with by him. We didn't do table
dances then, either...
Was it Woody?
Yes. Well it turns out it was Woody Long, and I had no idea, right? This
guy's like tipping me big bucks I better talk to him, you know? So I went
and I sat down with him, and it was a juice bar I had my little Perrier
or whenever I was drinking at the time and we're talking and all of a
sudden he disappears. He said, "Ill be right back." I thought
he went to restroom, right? So I think, well he's gone so I'm gonna go
back to the dressing room, I walked back there and Sandra is sitting on
his lap and we had been working together for a few days by now. She's
been in the club about two days, I guess. So I'm looking at this guy and
I'm like "Who ARE you?" And he goes "Oh, this is my wife."
So I got really mad. I was insulted that he was tipping me all his money.
It's like, "Why are you tipping me if your wife is the feature?"
He said, "Because we've been talking about you. We want to hook you
up with Cheri magazine." You know she did the thing for Ken Kimmel
for years, that um, "Sandra Scream's
" I can't remember
the name of it, it was a really cute article that she did every month
in Cheri magazine. And he said "You need to be a feature, you shouldn't
be dancing in these clubs. What are you DOING?" So to make along
story short they did, they hooked me up with Ken Kimmel and he put in
Cheri magazine for my first layout in 1989 with a nine foot python. I
didn't look anything like I look now, which is so funny because I was
so different then. I was really
I was never conservative,
I've never been shy, I've always been an exhibitionist, but I was a nervous
wreck! It was my first real photo shoot and the rest is kind of history.
All of a sudden then somebody saw my picture
He was with LBO Bobby
And he called Ken Kimmel and said "Who is that girl and were is she
from?" And Ken said she's from the New Jersey area, she's an Italian
girl." "I want her to come out here and shoot for me."
And it was like "What?" And Ken calls me up and the says, "This
guy wants your number." I said, "Who is he?" "He's
a producer and a director he does porn films." I said, "No,
forget about it." So Luke starts going "Well, why don't we just
try it?" I said, "Because I don't know if I can fuck other men
at this point my life." I'd been in this relationship for so long.
I did girl-girl shows because I had a bachelor party company, but I didn't
do side work. I never did "the room" kind of thing. We would
do shows. You know the girl-girl shows, double dildo and all that stuff.
If they wanted prostitutes they used to have to call someone else. And
that was my company. I had this great bachelor party company going on
the East Coast, we were up and down the East Coast all the time. So I
was, "OK. Fine. I'll do it." So we fly out here to L.A. we were
supposed to be booked out here 10 days and he promised to put me in four
pro-am scenes. I ended up working 9 out of the 10 days
And I only worked with Luke, and then I did a scene with Aja, she was
the first woman I never did a girl-girl seen with on film.
The red hair Aja?
No, Aja, she's very exotic looking, very beautiful girl.
She worked at the Valley Ball for a while?
She used to work at the Odd Ball.
The Odd Ball yeah, they changed the name to the Valley Ball, that's right,
it was the Odd Ball.
No, she had black hair. So anyway we did that and all of a sudden we got
all this pro-am work, and we shot that and all this stuff happened and
we flew back of the New Jersey, and I'm like "What just happened?"
Then we started getting calls from different companies saying we want
to put you in this feature and that feature and back then tattoos were
way taboo! Viper was the only one who could get away with having tattoos,
and at I think it was because she was so down and dirty and she was awesome
I mean I think she was just
God! Just CRAZY! You know? But back
then none of the women had tattoos and the men, if they had them they
had very and small very few. And I kind of broke that mold in the industry.
I think my tattoos set a standard that if she can have them why can't
I? Then everybody else started getting them. THEN I was told I couldn't
get any more, so I started getting PIERCED. (Laughing!!)
(Laughing!...) So you started that trend too.
you don't want any more ink on me? Fine! I'll go poke holes in my body..."
So then THAT all started, it was like "OK you don't want any more
ink on me? Fine! I'll go poke holes in my body, I mean I've gotta do something
I've gotta get my endorphin rush because I don't do drugs so I have to
do something, you know? So I started getting pierced. It started with
first my nipples, then my tongue, then I started getting vaginal piercings
that had so many and have had them in and out and in and out and have
had my bellybutton pierced like three times and I keep taking it out because
I GET OFF ON IT! It's an endorphin rush; I get high for three days when
I get pierced!
I've let my nipples close up like five times and get them re-done. It's
just great! It's better than doing any drugs; I haven't done drugs in
Wow! That's excellent!
I have a glass of wine occasionally, but haven't touched anything else
at all. And it just kind of started escalating, and then the Black Orchid
thing happened. Well, then we decided that I had work with other men because
Luke couldn't get work because of his tattoos, and so I started working
with other men. He was MORE than agreeable because that means he could
work with other women, which was fine, I really didn't have a problem
with it, and it just started to snowball, then I got the cover of Black
Orchid and that was it! My career just took off! Peter shot that cover.
He's the person I'm working with this weekend, Peter Martin, who in my
opinion is the best photographer in the business! No one has ever been
able to photograph me the way he does. Yeah. This isn't a magazine shoot;
this is just for me. The pictures that I'm doing are just for me, they're
going to be phenomenal! I'm going to have five or 600 phenomenal photos!
Aw, that's excellent and on a Web Site you can rotate them
then I also got an offer to do some mainstream stuff a couple weeks ago..."
And then I also got an offer to do some mainstream stuff a couple weeks
ago, so today we concentrated - that's why I'm kind of toned down to not
look like I'm in Pornstar makeup - because we did all of the main stream
for the composite that the guy wanted. This agent in Hollywood found me,
he tracked me down and said he'd been looking for me for two years which
is really an exciting sign! Crossing my fingers about that because there's
a movie in production that they have a part they want me in and want someone
who's real sensual and a little more mature or not overbearing who can
act. I don't know if you've heard about the prosecution in Ohio recently
No I haven't.
Well, I did a movie for I think it was Bizarre Video, called The Agony
of Ariana. OK, bondage movie, right? No sex in the movie, and I did it
with my husband and he dominated me, and I was supposed be in agony because
that's the name of the movie, right? Well, the store got brought up on
charges of obscenity for this video.
I DID hear about it!
Yeah! And then the attorney who was trying to represent them said they
couldn't even plead it because the acting was too good! (Laughing!)
That's funny! (Laughing!)
They had to take a guilty on this obscenity charge because they couldn't
plead it out because I looked like I was in too much agony! But that's
what you're supposed to do, you know?
Did you testify?
They didn't call me!! I would have. Gladly! The funny thing about this
was this attorney, I've met him before, I know him, because I'm dating
an attorney who works mostly with First Amendment, and have gone to some
First Amendment Lawyers Association seminars where they all go to a place
for week - so I met this person, the defending attorney, and I'm thinking
"Why didn't he call me?" because I would testify! It's like
I'm an actress that's what I was paid to do, I was paid to act like I
was in agony, that was the name of the movie you know?
Well you did a good job!
...And they got busted for it!
But it's so silly! Because the truth of the matter is that I would never
let anyone do anything to me against my will
You know, and when I do bondage films there are always guidelines and
we always have code words everything is always safe and if the code word
is spoken everything ceases, it just stops, and if it's something that
isn't OK then we don't do it, we change it, and that's how bondage films
are made. So it was all acting. And in all my career and all the nominations
that I've gotten for different things and for girl-girl scenes and hot
sex scenes the only thing I ever won was an actress award.
That's when I basically quit in 1995. I won the best supporting actress
in a film...
Desert Moon. It was very very good, I rode a camel around the desert for
four days it was really a blast! (Laughs) I had a great time making that
movie. We were out in the middle of the desert riding camels and horses
it was really really fun. And it was a film. Tony English shot it, and
was for Gabore who owns Sterling Pictures.
I won the best supporting actress in the film and It was like the only
award I ever won. I was nominated best starlet my first year when Alex
Jordan won. She and I were nominated against each other. Well she was
one of my best friends. We were together all the time. And I didn't want
to win; I wanted her to win it. It's like "You win it! You just win
it because you should!" And she did
And all these things that
happened over the years is very very interesting to look back on in retrospect
and see what's happened like she's dead, which was a real shocker to me
when that happened. People! There are so many new people. I look through
the AVN every month and where did all the old people go that were there
when I was there aside from the men. It's all the same men. But all these
women come in and they come and they go. They show up and work for six
months or for year then they disappear. And you never hear from them again
and never see them. Or else they get all messed up on drugs and they all
get kind of whacked out and they get thrown off the sets. I've heard of
girls who are big, huge, names and I won't name them, who've actually
gotten thrown out of clubs for not following rules...
my attitude's always been its really hard to get a good reputation and
really easy to lose it and once you lose it you don't get back."
Well you can, but it's real hard.
It's almost impossible. Especially on the dance circuit, because all the
club owners have their Gentlemen's Club Conventions a couple of times
a year, and they'll say that we had this feature in and we had to go pull
her off of the corner because she was copping crack, so we could get her
onstage or we had this feature and she burned our curtains down because
she was too fucked up to do a fire show. One person caught herself on
fire and put herself out of the business basically. She had burns over
45 or 50 percent of her body. She almost died. And this girl was absolutely
fucking STUNNING! And that's what happens when you get high and you get
onstage. You can't do it. You know? And these young women, they all of
a sudden get out of high school and have no education or anything and
they get into this business and then they become stars and then all of
a sudden they have all this money coming in and always jet setting and
always partying, you know? And then all the drugs, but not on the sets.
I have to say that I don't think I ever really saw drugs on sets, but
it's so readily available to adult film stars outside of when you're not
working. You go into a club with a band playing and all the band members
recognize you its like "Oh! Come party with us!" you know?
You know what I mean? It's not in the industry itself - that part of it,
but it kind of flows over into it by means of other inputs like just going
out to clubs and being seen, and then you get recognized. I walked into
a toy store today - true story - I had the drive down to LAX to pick Gwendolyn
up because she flew into the wrong airport by mistake. And I needed a
couple of props. I needed some toys. You know that Century Nude toy shop
The Century Theater?
Yeah, I said "Oh, good!" I'm gonna pull in here and I'm gonna
get some stuff. So I pull in the parking lot, and I go in the place. There's
three guys standing there and all of their jaws drop! I kid you not. I
had a pair of gray sweats, a black sweat shirt, black Doc Martin's, no
makeup on, I had my hair pulled back in a ponytail, not a drop of makeup
on because I was on my way to a set, it would be stupid to put on makeup
and wash it off again and put it on again. These guys, the three of them,
their jaws drop open than they dropped on their knees!
What?! (Laughs!) Really?
And I'm like "WHAT are you DOING?!" And they're like "Oh
my God! We can't believe you're in our store! What can we get you?! What
do you need?!" I was like "What kind of discount am I gonna
get?" And they gave me a really good discount too! (Laughs!) They
were so funny! I was shocked! I do get recognized all the time no matter
where I am. Because I don't look that much different without makeup off
than I do with makeup on. But I don't usually get that kind of a reaction!
(Laugh!) I was cracking up I was "Really, guys it's like no big deal
I just need a couple of dildos (Laughing
) It was hysterical! I couldn't
believe it! So it's been a really interesting trip. It really has. I've
gone through a lot of changes in the last ten or 11 years as far as my
perspective of my own sexuality and the way other people perceive their
sexuality. That's really interesting to me. Everything is so taboo. Like
this whole thing with this straight stuff, this mainstream. Why are they
looking for me? These are the people who don't want anything to do with
pornography, but you know that they're the ones that are renting the tapes
and they've seen my movies or they wouldn't be looking for me.
You know? And this guy said he called me, I mean he e-mailed me and said
"I finally found you, I've been looking for you for two years on
the Internet. I really need to talk to you." So I e-mailed him back
and I said okay send me a number and I'll call you 'cause I'm not gonna
send anybody my phone number unless I know who they are. And he did and
I talked to him and unfortunately he had to go out of town this weekend
or we would have had a meeting this weekend. He sent me all of his agency
stuff, but I didn't get it before I left because it probably got their
today or yesterday and I didn't get to my mailbox yesterday. He said,
"You know what I want? I want you to do some black and white test
shots. Black and white, full body, a couple of color full body, a couple
of color head shots, we'll make a composite and if your really serious
about going into mainstream, then we're gonna do it."
Yeah, I'm very excited about it. It would be a great opportunity for me.
I love to perform. I studied acting, I studied dance, that's always what
I wanted to do but I was always too short to be a rockette, so I did the
next best thing. I did go-go. (Laugh) I had my one shot at Broadway. They
came into a club one time, a couple actually, they were doing off Broadway
jazz show and they saw me dancing and they pulled me off the stage and
they sat me down and they gave their me cards and said we really want
you to do the show. It was to be three months of rehearsal for $600 a
month. That's all they could pay, and at that point I was supporting four
kids. Three months of rehearsal and we had no guarantees. An off Broadway
show may run for months who knows? It may only run for a week. You know
what? This is the only opportunity I've ever had to do what I really wanted
to and I can't do it. I can't afford to do it. I was making five or $600
at night I couldn't do that in a month, not supporting six people (Laugh)
you know we had just built a house, we had a brand-new home, and there
were too many things going on. I had gone and headed to New York after
I got out of school I had auditions for different things but I didn't
have the experience, you know? Once I started dancing the Jersey go-go
I got all the experience I could have ever needed. I got confidence and
realized that I AM a good dancer and I really CAN do this stuff, and the
choreography, and I love to do it and I love to design costumes and it
was really easy. It was really easy for me, and the featuring, everything.
The biggest thing ever, the biggest thing I miss about the industry aside
from the talent, the other women, is going on the road dancing for my
biggest thing I miss about the industry aside from the talent, the other
women, is going on the road dancing for my fans."
Yeah, and at this point unfortunately I just can't. Physically I can't
do it anymore, I mean I danced for 17 years and my body can't take it.
I can't be in heels for more than an hour. It just doesn't work. So basically
my last feature gig was at the Admiral Theater, gosh, two years ago? I
basically have only made one movie in a last two years. Only made three
in the last four but in the last two I only made one, and that was Tattoo.
That came out recently, April I think it was released, that was my last
hard-core movie. And that was my retirement film, and it was announced.
The AVN came on the set because everyone knew it was my last film and
blah blah blah and I'm not doing a comeback. I have no intention of doing
a hard-core comeback. I'll still do fetish, always do fetish because it's
fun, it's easy. It's a whole different head, It's a whole different trip,
but no more hard-core.
I was going to ask that.
No, I'm way over it. Especially with all the outbreaks of the different
illnesses that people are coming down with, aside from HIV, like the hepatitis
C. And just the little stuff that gets passed back and forth the STDs.
Clamidia, which I had six times when I was in the business, I've heard
of an outbreak of gonorrhea. I didn't get it, thank God, but I heard their
had been one, but I'm just way over that. I'm so far removed from that.
I don't miss having multiple partners. I'm in a relationship I love my
relationship. It's real stable. Very nice and supportive, mutually supportive,
so like I said it's been a very interesting kind of trip. What other little
questions do you have over there?
I don't know if I really should go into it
because it's not really socially acceptable."
Actually... You said something about a scoop...
Oh! What I'm doing now. Well I don't know if I really should go into it
because it's not really socially acceptable. I'm
doing out call Dominatrix work. Almost like escort, sans the sex, basically.
But I'm advertising on escort sites as a domina.
This is for people who want to book you. Want to know what you're doing.
Who want to get in touch with you. So they can know "Well she's all
about this." They can read here.
Well, aside from that I have a REAL job, I work for lawyers. (Laugh!)
I've been doing that for two years. I'm doing this other thing now that
I just started doing like a month and a half ago, and I'm really enjoying
it. It's real lucrative for one thing. I did have the Internet studio
going for a longtime. It was one of the first live Internet broadcasting
studios. I was the first in Vegas actually. And my feeds were sold exclusively
Yeah it was great until it got inundated. Everybody now puts a feed up
and you can log into I-friends and are online in a second if your camera
in you can do it from your bedroom. I actually had a studio setup that
people working for me. Women would come in on regular schedule like going
into a dance club. At one point I had 45 employees.
Yeah, I was running a lot of models and I did not allow hard-core, which
is what killed me, because once these other sex streams started popping
up they were doing them out of Canada and there were no laws up there
to prohibit hard-core, so everybody else started doing hard-core and I
was told not to so, basically what happened was I couldn't compete with
that, so I just closed it, I had close it down. But now I'm putting my
Web Site back up and I'm gonna have my own site, and it's gonna have whenever
content I want to have, and I'm not going to really be having to lease
my feeds out and stuff like that, so that's really what I'm concentrating
on right now is getting the site up.
So that's the venture you weren't really sure that you should talk about,
is the dominatrix kind of thing?
Yeah, because of where I'm advertising more than anything. I'm advertising
mostly on escort sites but it's, you know...
So you don't want people to think you're an escort
Well, I don't really care what people think. You know? I mean it doesn't
matter to me, they can think whenever they want. It's just that people
have preconceived notions about what certain things mean, and they confuse
things. They can confuse one thing with another very easily. What I do
it is a little bit different from what most escorts do. I am in a way
an escort; it's just a little bit different. I do role-playing and sessions
and the guys have to sign a waiver of release that they're consenting
adults and they're asking me to tie them up and flog them or whatever...
(REALLY laughs!!) That sounds funny!
Yeah I know! Allot of people are very into it and they don't know where
to go to have it happen in a safe and professional manner, and I offer
Would you care to elaborate on the mistress thing?
Would I care to the elaborate on the mistress thing. Well, the mistress
I've been into alternative lifestyles or alternative sex
since I was a kid, basically. I used to, when I was 15 years old, have
my boyfriends tie me up and fuck me. I've always been the sexual deviant
in that way, and the reason I'm a good mistress is because I was always
a submissive, so I know what people like. I'm much more into sensual erotic
dominance and bondage than sado-masochism. I'm really not into hurting
people unless it's REALLY what they want. I don't draw blood, I don't
pee on people, I don't shit on people, I don't do any of that stuff, it's
just not what I'm about. There's nothing wrong with it if that's what
you like, I don't like sticking pins and people. I've done it
don't LIKE doing it. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't do things that
make the uncomfortable today. I don't have to. You know? (Laughs!)
Everybody should be like that. Don't do things that make you uncomfortable.
That's what I do mostly, and I also work with couples, and I teach them
to do things to each other or with each other that expands their sexual
horizons and makes them more comfortable with exploring these little things
that they think are so taboo and so deviant but they're really very stimulating
and erotic and can be a lot of fun. So basically, I'm a teacher in a lot
of ways. I'm more into teaching people how to enjoy that side of their
sexuality than beating them up. So that's how I advertise myself as a
Domina, to specialize in tutoring gentlemen and couples in the fine art
of bondage and dominance, and dominance and submission.
Now how would they get in contact with you about that?
I'm on several Web Sites. Escort Web Sites. And that's how they find me.
How did YOU find me?
On an escort Web Site.
Right! So you read it! And that's basically what I'm doing and the calls
I get are mostly from people who are curious about alternate sexuality,
alternative lifestyles. I do a lot of trans-gendering; I dress guys up
as girls. I love doing that! I have a lot of fun with it, and then they
like to be verbally humiliated and called sissy boy and just silly stuff,
and it's all just cool, I'm enjoying it a lot. And the really cool thing
about it is I'm getting to meet a lot of people who've seen me over the
years and are totally infatuated with me for some God only knows what
reason, and I'm getting to spend time with them one-on-one instead of
the mass crowds, because when I feature, I have like 1000 guys in the
audience and then the lining up for Polaroids around the block, and I
had to do another show, so I'd have to cut it off because I would have
to get dressed. In this way you have a little bit more intimacy where
you can talk to people and spend time with them and I enjoy them a lot
- most of my clients are fans.
Yeah, and I'd say 97 percent of them want nothing but to lick my boots
and give me foot massages, so I don't have a problem with that. It's really
That's a great job to have.
It's a GREAT job, I LOVE my job! But I've always said that, even when
I was doing sex every day I loved my job. So, yeah, it's very good.
Let's see what else I have here
I do have some standard stuff. You're
I'm actually Italian and Greek.
Really? From New Jersey?
From New Jersey originally, yeah. 5 ft. 4
If they want to know what you look like [like they've been in a hole for
the past 10 years] your Web Site is going to be up soon right? They can
log onto that.
How do people get a hold of you to book you, again?
Right now through the escort sites: www.vanitysecrets.com and www.roomservice2000.com
- those are the two I'm posting on at this moment. There are more to come,
but I just haven't decided if I want to expand my horizons or not and
get into more of the other stuff because I really have been focusing on
the Domina stuff and not the sex stuff, you know? And that's just for
me, because I'm not a kid anymore. I can't do the stuff I used to do.
I don't know
[Looking at her Goddess-like body]
You sure look good to me!
I know I still look good, but ...
Yeah, you look REAL good!
I gotta tell ya!
"Not bad for an old bat." That's what I kept telling Peter today
'cause he was like "Oh my God" because he hasn't seen me in
four years and he didn't know what to expect. I walked in their and he
was "You're YOUNGER! (Laughs!)
I haven't seen you in SEVEN years!
I haven't changed much really, maybe a little bit, I put on a lot of weight,
I did get my boobs made bigger...
Yeah, that's one thing I noticed right away.
But that was a long time ago because my first ones when I first started
in the business were really messed up!
Yeah this one got hard and they broke it you know, the encapsulation?
And then the pocket went under my arm and got really messed up so...
It wasn't noticeable though, not when you filmed Sex Ranch.
No, it wasn't that bad yet to when I did Sex Ranch.
And they were nice when you filmed Butt Detective with Juli Ashton.
They were re-done by then but they weren't quite as big as this. I had
to have them re-done again because this one started migrating again and
these are really perfect! They're five years old
and they're great!
[Kneading them sensually together] Garth did them,
Is he a doctor here in town?
Yes, he's in Beverly Hills he's awesome.
My ex-wife got her's done in St. Petersburg by a doctor named Callahan,
well I had my second ones done by Harry Glassman who is Victoria Principal's
husband and he's Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon and he also did a wonderful
job. I don't know why the one started moving, but it did, it started to
migrate back under my arm. So I had them done over again. Well, they're
fine now. I might get them taken out and made into saline because I still
have silicone and keep being told I should get it out. (Laughs)
Well, it's encapsulated in silicone bags, I don't see the difference.
Neither did my ex-wife. She's got silicone too.
Because if the silicone leaks they can cause all kind of connective tissue
problems, like lupus. I'm sure you've heard of all these lawsuits that
are going on with silicone poisoning.
But it's inert! I don't see how it can affect anything.
It's not inert. What happens is, it imbeds itself in different parts of
your body and gets stuck in your joints and it doesn't come out.
Saline, if you pop a saline bag it's just saltwater, your body's made
up of 90 percent or whatever and it just gets absorbed into your body,
but if you pop a silicone bag then the stuff will migrate and can cause
organ problems, they can cause connective tissue problems, it has been
proven to cause lupus and other really bad health problems, so I've been
contemplating just getting them out and getting the saline.
A trade, yeah.
Yeah, but I just don't want to go through anymore surgeries. I've been
putting it off.
Yeah! I've been put off a root canal so I can sorta kinda understand sorta
How long do you think you want to perform?
Well, actually I'm not performing anymore, so I think I stopped. I wanted
to quit when I was 40 and I did.
So now it's just your business.
call me to do Fuck Films, I don't do them anymore. (Laughing) I'm sorry."
Now is more, yeah, I'm not performing for the camera really, I will do
some Internet stuff, some on camera Internet stuff, I just did a show
with Gwendolyn the other day on the Internet. We just did a little two
hour girly-thing. It was fine, it was fun at the time. You know of course
those were pay-per-view kind of things, you have to buy the minutes to
see it and I'll go on live camera and that stuff but as far as performing
in the movies other than bondage and fetish, I'm done. You won't see Ariana
coming back like 15 times as a lot of these women who I admire greatly
have done. Retire, comeback, retire, comeback, you know? I'm done, I'm
retired, I'm officially retired from the hard-core adult business. You
can put that in there. Don't call me to do Fuck Films, I don't do them
anymore. (Laughing) I'm sorry. I'll still do photo shoots; I'll still
do bondage and fetish. I love fetish movies; I have no problems with any
of that. It's not like I don't want to be naked, it's just that I don't
want to fuck on film anymore. I'm pretty much over it, so unless - if
I did it again it would have to be triple bagged. Like three condoms.
I don't trust condoms. I just don't. And that's more an issue for me than
anything is the disease factor. I don't want to be sick from a job. No
job is worth that. I've got too much to live for. I want to see my grandchildren,
you know, as far as I'm concerned
and that's not going to be too
far in the future. I've got one daughter getting married in April.
AINews: Yeah? Wow! You mentioned something about a dungeon in Hawaii?
Ariana: Yeah, a little project I'm working on with a gentleman who owns several
clubs in San Francisco and Hawaii, and he wants to put a
like a vault type thing where people could actually go in and play, use
the rooms as play rooms, I don't know if you're familiar with The Vault
in New York City, it's a dungeon, its underground, and the one this gentleman
wants to build is on top of a strip club that he owns and he wants to
call it Mistress Ariana's Penthouse, and he wants me to design it because
I've designed two already, that's another thing I do. I consult and design
spaces for fetish. He wants me to basically go there and lay it out. I'm
probably going to be doing that this month at some point. Maybe next week
after I get out of Chicago. It would be nice to go to Hawaii from Chicago!
It's really really cold in Chicago right now! (Laughs!)
It'll take a few DAYS to warm up [once you're in Hawaii.]
Probably, I'll be thawing out the whole time I'm there. So, yeah, that's
going to be Mistress Ariana's Penthouse, I'm not sure when it's gonna
open, and I can't remember the name of the club it's going to be on top
of because he's got three or four clubs and I can't remember which one
Well let's see
are you involved in any anti-censorship organizations
or anything political?
Right now, not really. I admire what the Free Speech Coalition does. Mitchie
to me is a goddess, she's doing phenomenal wonderful things that if I
could just get behind her and work with her I would, but I just can't
How you feel about the Bunny Ranch thing? There's a lot of stars going
I just ran into a girlfriend, I ran into her at the Burbank airport. She
was coming back from there! I think it's great! And it's safe, you know,
and it's monitored, it's safe. That's the biggest thing about it. I think
it's fine, and I mean if the women are willing to go up there and make
their money and are having fun and they're in a good environment God bless
them! I mean, I might go someday. I've been invited; I haven't done it
The Bunny Ranch? Yeah, whatever! There's another one, too. There's
two there are actually featuring.
The Chicken Ranch?
Maybe, they're both in Nevada, I know that. I live in Nevada, so
There are quite a few around the same area.
Yeah, they're not in Clark County I can tell you that. They're mostly
in Nye County and up north further. Carson
no, not Carson. Might
be Carson County, but it's not legally inside Clark County and it's not
legal where Reno and Carson City are but every place else in Nevada brothels
are legal, so I think it's great! I think it's a great idea!
There are some people, they're thinking that first we have to make porn
legitimate, and the stars were acting and they were not prostitutes, but
now with this
Oh no, they're not.
No, because it's the oldest profession on the face of the planet. There
have been women selling their bodies - and men - for sex since before
time was counted, Wether it be bartering, getting food or whenever! So
I mean as far as making porn acceptable in our society here in United
States I don't think it will never be an acceptable form of entertainment
to the general population that they would admit to.
That they would ADMIT to.
That's a good way the phrase it.
I know that people from every walk of life watch pornography. I get e-mails
from doctors from lawyers from judges..."
I know that people from every walk of life watch pornography. I get e-mails
from doctors, from lawyers, from judges, I've had clients that are pilots,
but God forbid they would ever go out and announce that or say I had a
session with a Domina who was a porn star. You know? Because the people
that I work with, especially the people who are into being dominated,
the males who want to be submissive, are usually men in very high power,
high stress jobs who want to turn over control for an hour or two. And
they just want you to take and "Do whatever you want to me because
I'm sick of telling people what to do. You tell me what to do for these
next two hours." And they're very high-powered people! I get a lot
of CEOs, bankers, judges, like I said, and these are the people who look
down their noses at pornography as an unacceptable form of entertainment
because it's unacceptable in our society. You go over to Europe, the TV
shows; I mean everyone's running around naked. I just spent three weeks
in Europe this summer on just regular TV they're having commercials with
topless women. Everybody's on the beach they're all topless. Everywhere
all over Europe is totally a different trip, a totally different head.
I'd probably bring a TV to the beach.
(Laughs) Why? (Laughs) You wouldn't need one! I mean I was on the beach
in Tropca, Italy, and all the women were topless. Everyone! Fat, skinny,
flat tested, big boobed, it didn't matter.
Yeah! It's just our perception and the basic perception of sexuality in
our country in our society. We are so programmed to think that sex and
nudity and anything that has to do with your body is bad, you know? And
I don't understand it, because I never felt that way, although in my family
it was that way. I was brought up a nice Catholic girl. We were not supposed
to have sex before we got married. Not that that we ever DID it. My sister
had her first child when she was 16. Shotgun wedding, you know? I always
thought that was so stupid! It's like, what is the big deal and why do
people have these hang-ups! And I don't think that it's ever going to
go away. And it's like people crossing over from adult into mainstream.
Most of the women who do that have been out of the business for while;
or else they change their name when they go into mainstream. They don't
go by their adult film name, and most of them they hide their faces. I
mean Ashlyn Gere has been on silk stockings three or four times and you'd
never know it was her. And then they want body doubles to do the sex scenes
in mainstream movies. Like Demi Moore had a body double for
a movie where she had a hot steamy sex scene I can remember
what the name was but she wouldn't do it. And I think Randy West stood
in for Robert Redford in a sex scene in a movie. It's like they can get
these mainstream actors who are "Oh, I'm not gonna do THAT!"
So they get the adult actors and actresses because they don't care. You
know and then at the same time, I've been out of the business basically
almost four years except for this one movie that I did, and now somebody's
been looking for me for two years? You know? Okay, because I've been how
long enough. You know Tracy Lords was out, what? Ten years before she
got on her first mainstream thing, and she used her same name and then
she went and promoted herself, I was a little porn star and I was under
age and blah blah blah, but I was NEVER under age and didn't get ANYBODY
She got everybody in trouble in the business. I think
there were a lot of people that would have liked to see her just get hit
by a truck or something! I don't know (Laughs), but she got a lot of people
in trouble by doing what she did and really it was her mother. Her mother
is the one who put into it.
I didn't HEAR that! Really?
It's a fact! If you go back and read in the history books her mother was
the one that started her off with, I don't know, whatever royalty guy
she was involved with first and then got her into the porn industry and
pushed her into it, basically promoted her and said she was of age when
she was 15...
From the things that I've read there wasn't any indication - in the things
that I've read anyway - that her mother was at ALL involved.
Well I don't think they like to publicize that anymore but back when it
was happening it was a big controversy and I know a lot of people who
she worked for who knew her mother and she was behind the whole thing.
They changed the history. They re-wrote it.
They certainly did. I'm very close with one person in particular that
had her in a lot of movies and got in a lot of trouble. He was the one
that told me it was all her mother. Her mother set the whole thing up.
And she did it as a publicity thing because she knew the kid was under
age. She was basically training the child in sex, according to this person,
I don't like to name names
He told me that at 15 this girl knew more than most 25 year-old women
that he ever met. And you've got to learn some stuff. A lot of it's real
natural but some techniques and some little things you got to learn from
watching or someone coaching you. You just don't at 15 years old know
how to give like the best blowjob on earth, is just doesn't happen! I
don't care who you are. And this girl apparently knew everything. It's
interesting. As a mother, if one of my daughters decided they wanted to
go into the adult film business, I certainly wouldn't encourage it, but
at the same time I couldn't be hypocritical about it. I would support
them in a supportive way but I wouldn't encourage it, I wouldn't TEACH
them things, you know what I mean?
Freedom of choice.
Yeah, because I can't be hypocritical, it's what I did and none of my
girls have expressed any interest in that, so it's not been an issue for
me, but people have asked me that before. It's like, if my daughter wanted
to go into porn, she'd have me as a guide. These are the mistakes I made
early on, these people took advantage of me, these are the people who
basically didn't want to pay anything... Because when I was new they wanted
to give you $200 for a scene. That would never happen to one of my daughters
(Laughs) you know I mean? That's what would happen, they would pay top
dollar or they don't get them. It's that simple. But I didn't have that
guidance and that's where my guidance would come in. I wouldn't sit there,
give them demonstrations on how to give a blowjob, you know what I mean?
That they would have to figure out on their own.
do drugs. That's the biggest thing. DON'T DO DRUGS! Don't get involved."
That's understandable. What advice could you give new talent on how to
stay out of trouble?
Don't do drugs. That's the biggest thing. DON'T DO DRUGS! Don't get involved.
The money that you make, I know a lot of young women come from backgrounds
were they don't have a lot of opportunity to make money, they don't have
a lot of education and it's very easy to fall into that trap when they
start making money of partying all the time and doing things you think
are fun at the time but you'll regret it so much later. I mean if you
look at me, okay, I'm 41 years old. You wouldn't be able to tell that
just looking at me. That's because I don't do drugs. I know if I drank
and did drugs I would look my age or older. Don't tan your face. (Laughs!)
That's the other thing. (Laughs!)
That's good advice!
Tanning your body is okay if you've got good skin and use a lot of moisturizers
and stuff, but don't tan your face because they can always match it with
makeup. It's like tanning your face is a bad thing; it makes you get wrinkles.
Don't smoke! That's my vice, that's my one and only vice. It hasn't really
affected my skin yet, but I know that will eventually. I had quit for
long time, and then when I got divorced I started again, which is really
stupid, but is really the only thing that I started again.
It's really my only vice. If you're going to drink, don't do it excessively.
Don't drink hard liquor, drink nice wine. Nice mellow beautiful red wines
are really good for you. A glass or two now and then. Get a lot of rest,
exercise, diet you know what advice I mean, don't do drugs that's my biggest
thing for new talent is don't get caught up in that nonsense. It's nonsense,
it's throwing your money away, you never get anywhere, any other thing
I would tell new talent, when you start making money invest or save your
Mitchell told me she has never refused anyone an autograph, even if there
were thousands of people in line."
you can't do this forever
I mean know we can't do this forever,
it's very strenuous, a lot of hard work and if you don't save your money
there will come a time in your life when you're not gonna have any because
you didn't save it when you had it. You didn't put away, you didn't invest
it. And it's a silly thing that people do. All of a sudden they have money,
so they go out and they spend $15,000 on clothes one day, and it's like,
you don't need that many clothes! You need costumes for dancing, but you
can minimize it by working on your own, by learning how to do stuff for
yourself, and always be grateful for your fans because if it's not for
the fans then you don't become a star. Sharon Mitchell told me she has
never refused anyone an autograph, even if there were thousands of people
in line. She's never turned anyone away, because the fans are what got
her where she is and I really took that advice to heart. Another little
piece of advice Christy Canyon told me, (this was before I started in
the business. She's another one I met before I started in the business.
She was featuring in a club in Patterson New Jersey). She told me "Don't
ever let anybody tell you you have to do something you don't want to do,
okay?" She said "You don't want to do anal? Don't do anal! You
don't want to work with someone? Don't work with them! If you're not comfortable,
you're not okay with it, then don't do it."
Canyon told me... 'Don't ever let anybody tell you you have to do something
you don't want to do'..."
That's great advice!
It was great! And I heeded that, I always heeded that, I didn't do an
anal scene for the first four years into the business. When I finally
did do it I wrote it, I co-directed it, I cast it, and I starred in it.
And it was my movie. I had total control over when I was going to do my
first anal movie. Okay? And when I decided to do it that's how it had
to be done. And if nobody wanted it, then it wasn't going to get done.
And I got paid a lot of money for it. And I did with my husband. I wouldn't
want anybody else having anal sex with me. (Laughs) And I haven't done
a lot of anal sex with other men other than my ex-husband. I maybe did
two anal scenes with someone other than him in my whole career, and that
was my choice because he was my husband.
You should never do anything you don't want to do.
That's right! And Christy, God bless her, she told me that in her dressing
room at this place called Harrah's in Patterson, she said "Ari, no
matter what you do don't ever let anybody tell you you HAVE to do something."
Because you don't. And I really took that advice to heart and that was
one of the most profound things anyone ever said to be in this business.
But for the new girls, just KNOW that. There's nothing you HAVE to do!
That's excellent. How would somebody checkout who they're going to work
Well, everybody goes through Jim South, you know that. Industry standard.
Jim is the man, he's the agent, he keeps track of everything so if a girl
gets called to do a movie by a particular company and she wants information
on the company, well you can go through the AVN and get company profiles
or you can get on the Internet and get LOTS of information, or you can
talk to Jim because he's a pretty reasonable guy. There are certain people
in the business that I would never work for, that I never DID work for.
Again, I won't name names. But unfortunately some people are real sadistic
and take advantage of young girls and you just have to follow your gut
instinct. If somebody walks in the room and then the hair stands up on
the back of your neck, it's probably not a good idea to work for that
person. And that's basically what happened with me with two different
companies. I didn't even see the person and I had this creepy feeling
and I turned around and it was like "Who IS that guy?" and its
like "Oh, he's the guy your doing your next movie for." it's
like "I don't THINK so!!" (Laughs!) You know? I guess not everybody
has that perception but really check it out, don't go into anything with
your eyes closed, and again don't do anything you don't want to do, because
nobody can make you.
That's good stuff. I guess you've already talked about some other things
that you're truly grateful for...
Oh, I have a lot of things that I'm really grateful for. I'm grateful
that I'm where I'm at today. I'm really happy that I've done the things
that I've done. I've no regrets about the business. Again, I don't want
to go back I don't want to turn the clock back. I feel like I've contributed
all that I could contribute at this point to the hard-core sex industry
and now I can do other stuff. I'm sure at some point I'll become politically
active again and the reasons I'm not now are personal reasons and not
because I don't support Free Speech, because believe me I do. I live with
a First Amendment attorney. (Laughs!) And I do work on First Amendment
issues in that capacity
Do I have your contact information right?
E-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org, for right now, and my Web Site that
goes up will be www.ariana.to
.to? What's that?
It's a new URL.
Cool. And that fan club address correct?
Farfalla enterprises LTD
3395 South Jones Boulevard No. 215
Las Vegas, NV 89146
This is great! Ariana, I want to thank you for great interview. Thank
you very much.
You're quite welcome! I'm really glad we got the opportunity to do this.
I miss people in the business, I mean the real people. Like, I don't miss
the producers and I don't miss the directors, I don't miss the agents,
but the talent - the people that make it all happen, the ones that are
really important, not the ones that makes all the money, but the people
that make it all happen
The people that actually 'do it'.
(Laughs!) Yeah, but you know I miss them I feel
Like I ran into
Nancy Vee today...
Yeah? I was just talking to Nancy, down at that Hustler signing.
She told me she was going, she asked me to go with her.
That would have been cool to have you show up there before the interview!
Yeah, I ran into her yesterday...
Again, Ariana, I wanted thank you from the bottom of my heart and wish
you well in all you do.
You're quite welcome.